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Welcome to Unpacked Podcasts with your host leadership consultant, ron Harvey of Global Core Strategies and Consulting. Ron's delighted to have you join us as he unpacks and shares his leadership experience, designed to help you in your leadership journey. Ron believes that leadership is the fundamental driver towards making a difference. So now to find out more of what it means to unpack leadership, here's your host, ron Harvey.
Speaker 2:Good morning everyone. This is Ron Harvey, the Vice President, epoch Operating Officer, global Core Strategies and Consulting. We're a leadership firm based out of Columbia, south Carolina, and everything that we do is about helping leaders be better to take care of the people that they're responsible for and responsible to. We care about the culture, but we do know leaders make a big difference and a big impact on how people feel about where they work at. So we spend all of our time making sure that you're good at what you do, so people care about where they work and they want to show up for you. But what we do outside of that is we've created this podcast that came out of really COVID and people wanted to know the real answers, the real truth, not this thing that's scripted, not this thing that you rehearsed and you got right in this academia. They wanted to hear from leaders for real, and so this podcast is unpacked with Ron Harvey, where we promise you that we're going to talk about one thing and go a lot of directions. We're going to talk about leadership, but we're going to be very transparent. So we're going to pull the curtain back for about 25 minutes to let you hear what we think, and I'm going to ask questions. The beauty of this all of our guests never get any questions, so they just get to come in and they're brave because they don't know what I'm going to ask. If you know me, I may ask anything, but they've agreed like they'll be totally transparent. They'll answer questions. We'll have fun. So buckle up, have fun, enjoy and stay with us for 20 to 25 minutes.
Speaker 2:I'm super honored to have the guests that I have, now close friend, a very good supporter, making a difference in our community, full of energy and excitement, always smiling, always positive. I see something different. I'm going to check her health, but she's always positive and leaning in and working hard. So I love her work ethic. I love her professionalism. I love her being dependable. She's a mother and a wife. She has kids that she's raising. She's in the community. She's a phenomenal woman. So I'm happy to say that. Welcome to the show, roe Sho.
Speaker 3:And they go together Roe Sho. I love it. Ron Harvey, I'm excited to be here. I mean, it's something dynamic when you can start your day unpacking with the Ron Harvey. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. So just tell what people? Who are you? What do you want them to know about? You Know your business, your books, your family. Go wherever you wish. This is unpacked and so it's not scripted. What do you want us to know about you?
Speaker 3:Well as you called me. I am known in the digital streets as the Roe Sho Live. My name is Rashonda Pratt. I'm a communication strategist and content producer, empowering CEOs, founders and thought leaders to be seen, heard and paid, using my 20 plus years experience working in television news.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I love it. She said get paid. So Roe Sho is about making sure that you get paid, and oftentimes we don't talk about getting paid. You know, some days they're giving me a chicken dinner and giving me a nice gift card. Those days are that's not what we're looking for. We want to close the wealth gap.
Speaker 2:We want to ensure we can do something for our families and our communities and give back. So we got to get paid too. So, as we talk about this and we talk about leadership and all those years of experience phenomenal, thank you. It's Women's History Month. I'm really interviewing women all month and having them come on the show who's the significant woman that you would give credit to that's helped you afford the most into you? I know you probably have plenty, but who jumps out immediately when you hear that question?
Speaker 3:Oh man, there's so many women.
Speaker 2:You're right.
Speaker 3:Like, how do I pick? I think about my mentors. I think about, you know, my friend Capriccio, who gave me my first ministry assignment. Think about the women who are part of my brain trust, who rallied behind me. But I would say, I know you said one, so I'm going to do, I'm going to cheat a little bit, I'm going to give a group a group You're going to stay out of trouble.
Speaker 2:Right, it's okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to do a give a group. First I would have to say it's my grandmothers, my middle name, I'm named after my father's mother and then I think about my mother's mother, and my family is from the beautiful country of Trinidad and Tobago, and so there are some things that my grandmothers instilled in me growing up that I'll never forget. So my mother's mother we used to call her mother, and she would always tell me when we were talking the phone she would always say Rishanda, remember books before boys. She would always say that Books before boys. I think she would be proud of the fact that I listened right Graduated with honors from Wyntham University and I married a really great boy. So I think she would be proud of that so I always remember when she said that Ron books before boys.
Speaker 3:What she was really speaking to me is about understanding value and making the main thing the main thing. So I learned that from her and I remember that. And then I think about my father's mother, who was such an amazing storyteller, ron Harvey. I aspire to be that kind of storyteller Like she would tell me stories and she would act out the different accents, and her stories were so like wild. I would go to my dad afterwards and say, dad Donon this is what we used to call it Donon Donon just told me this story. Is this true? There's no way this happened, there's no way this happened how she said it. And so she really helped to cultivate my love for stories and storytelling. And then I also think about my mother, who instilled this self-worth and value on the inside of me.
Speaker 3:And sure, I went through my things as a high schooler, a young adult, young woman, my own journey. But there are some things that she told me as a Westinian mother. She always told me, ron, late invitations are for dogs. So I knew in school, ron Harvey, if you were having a sleepover on Friday, and you gave me that invitation on Thursday and I took it to Joan oh, I'm not going. You knew you was having a sleepover earlier in the week. You should have gave me an invitation early in the week. So she was instilling in me this thought of valuing yourself. My mom was very big. When we did school projects, ron, it was always I've always a school projects, because my mom was like your name is on this and is that the best you can do? So she taught me how to value my name and the work ascribed to it. So it would be those three ladies.
Speaker 2:Wow, Thank you. I mean, if you're listening, you're talking about those three ladies. Everything that you told about them is showing up in you right now.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's showing up in you. So the seeds planted are beginning to actually produce the fruit that they hope that it would have produced. So if you're listening and you're watching, rocha drops nuggets all the time. So if you're listening and you're driving and whatever, pull over because she's going drop stuff that you want. I need to catch that. I need to catch that. That's what this is really about. So, rocha, let's unpack for a second.
Speaker 2:You gave some things that were really critical, that are super important. Why is it so important for leaders women leaders to ensure that everything that their name is attached to is the best that it can be that they can produce? Why is that so relevant and important today? Because social media is huge. People are posting all kinds of stuff, people are trying to keep up with everybody. People are putting stuff that's not a polygale. Why is it so important for us to understand and especially when we're trying to close this gap for women, to make sure everything they attach their name to is something they would be very proud of. That will help them get the results they're trying to get. Why is that important?
Speaker 3:Because what you put your name to, ron, really is an extension of your own personal belief and worth.
Speaker 3:I'm a firm believer that stories give permission, and so when you are putting yourself out there on social media, when you are sharing your thought leadership, when you're writing that article in Forbes magazine, when you are working with a corporate client a government contract and they worked with you once and they came back again and they signed another contract to work with you again what you're really doing is giving the next one behind you permission to do the same. Because if I can see Rishanda doing it, if I can see Rishanda working with brands like LinkedIn, if I can see Rishanda working with companies like the Kellogg Foundation, if I can see Rishanda sharing her thought leadership online, then guess what? What's my excuse? It's possible for me, because she just showed me that she made it possible for herself. So when we bet on ourselves as women, we're not just rolling the dice on ourselves. We're rolling the dice on every other woman that is coming behind you. That's also saying, yeah, I want to do that too, and I'm going to bet on myself as well.
Speaker 2:Wow, rishanda, phenomenal. I'll say something that I hear quite often, and you hear it. I got mine. Let them get down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Unfortunately that's so selfish.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I understand the idea behind it, but what we don't understand is, even if someone has said that to you the previous generation well, I've got mine, you need to figure out and get yours that's really not even true, because someone had to lay the foundation and framework for you to even see what's possible. Yes, right, so we're always looking at someone else who's helping to shape the narrative or what's possible for ourselves. Yes, so even when we tell people that it's not true, because the person who's saying that someone had to show you what's possible for you to even say, or to aspire to be the next millionaire in your family or to aspire to being a business owner, you had to see that modeled somewhere. Or God downloaded something to you. You know you being the first to do it I think about Harriet Tubman, you being the first to do it but someone still had to download that in you. We're not alone island and if you are a lone ranger, ultimately you become a gone ranger.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, so y'all can go ahead and tweet that you know when you're trying to do it by yourself, you won't be around long, so you won't be around long. It just doesn't happen. The universe not created for you to be your best by yourself?
Speaker 3:It isn't. You know one of my favorite things, ron Harvey. I live by this. I live by this. It is. If you're doing anything significant and it doesn't require other people, then it's not that significant. Yes, Significance is not built in a silo, it's built in a community.
Speaker 2:Yes, and significance is not about you.
Speaker 3:It is not.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, you can't be significant if you're only taking care of you.
Speaker 3:Yes, you know what's interesting about that word significance. If you look at that word and you write it out, you will see the word sign in it. Wow. So here's the thing about significance you are a sign to someone else not a sign to yourself?
Speaker 3:Yes. So even with your significance because all of us are significant you're special, the person who's listening. You are all that in a bag of chips, Okay. But even you're all that in a bag of chips isn't about you. It is a sign to someone else. My friend, Dr Cheryl Wood, says it like this she says your story is about you, but it's not for you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yes, it is about you and it's not for you. Someone else is going to read it. So a couple of questions that's coming up that I love to unpack. I know your story, I know your backdrop. You walked away from your career in television, which I know was a frightening moment for you.
Speaker 1:But look at you now.
Speaker 2:How did you manage to get the energy, the confidence to walk away from something and begin to and it wasn't easy to get to where you are now. What was that like when you walked out and what did you do that helped you continue to move forward, Because there's some days I'm sure it was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:I just had this audacious thought, Ron Harvey, to bet on myself. It's so when I think about I'm like girl that was crazy, Like you put all the chips.
Speaker 3:If we were playing poker, you put all the chips on Rishanda Pratt. This is pretty crazy, but I just had this thing on the inside that was pulling me that there is more outside of this newsroom. And you know my journey. I started doing live stream about 2015 with this app called Periscope, which gave all of us the capabilities then to live stream via our phone, and I knew what it takes to live stream or what it takes to do a live broadcast, because of my years of working in television, and I started showing up on social media and I wrote this book called CEO of live video and it became a calling card and people started asking me can you speak? While I was working at the TV station. I often call the TV station my angel investor, my silent business partner.
Speaker 3:And so working at the TV station, ron, and I said, yeah, I talk a lot, I think I can go and speak at an event. And it opened up a door of me becoming an international speaker, speaking in Paris, france, speaking on many stages East Coast, west Coast and every place in between. And what I realized in that journey? My husband and I were on our way to another speaking event in Florida and he turned to me and he said I think you need to bet on yourself. Wow, and I was feeling this tug of it's comfortable to be here, but this is not where I need to be. And I really had this. I already had a divine promise about my life and so I knew it wasn't going to happen here. I was assured of that and I listened to my husband and I typed up my resignation letter and I decided to bet on myself.
Speaker 3:And Ron Harvey, what was so amazing? When I reached out to all of my contacts, people that I worked with in the industry, telling them I was stepping out on this endeavor and betting on myself, I had government contracts waiting on me. My first contract was with a government entity. Wow, and they said we were waiting. We've been watching you grow this brand, the Roche live. We're watching what you're doing and this is a note to women there's always people watching, even if they never comment even if they never tell you that they're watching.
Speaker 3:And so here's this government entity watching what I was doing. But they knew they couldn't work with me because it would be a conflict of interest because of my journalism career and the fact I was working at a local CBS affiliate. So they were. I had money waiting on me, Ron Harvey, and so I stepped into this and within six months of leaving the industry, I doubled my TV news salary. Doubled it, and I couldn't believe it. And so in our company we have this thought of we're always going to bet on ourselves. I'm always going to bet on Ro, because of what my grandmothers, what my mother, my father, instilled in me. I just believe I have the goods and I believe, as you're listening to this friend, you have the goods as well. Sometimes it's leaving what's familiar and stepping into what's unfamiliar for you to tap into the goods that you have.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, love it. So, rochelle, thank you for sharing it. Let's go to a moment where you got in your own way. You had self-limiting beliefs. You doubted yourself. Leaders hit that brick wall sometimes and it can be lonely at the top if you didn't bring anybody with you, because it's never lonely at the top if you bring people with you.
Speaker 3:Correct.
Speaker 2:If you go along, you will find yourself alone at the top. How do you help people get past this self-limiting belief or doubt when times get tough?
Speaker 3:One of the greatest things that I had to do in my beginning journey, as I moved into learning to bet on myself, is, first, I had to learn how to give myself permission, and give myself permission outside the confines of how other people have defined me and even how I have Limited my own definitions of myself. And so one of the things that I do with people is that walking them through this journey of Writing their own permission slip and giving themselves permission to show up fully as Themselves, crushing the limited belief, because what we know about limiting belief is is it's totally a lie. You are capable of hitting that go live button. You are capable of speaking on that stage. You are capable of sharing your thought leadership.
Speaker 3:There are things that you are dynamic at doing and you're capable of doing it, but we have to silence the inner critic. And I don't know about anybody else, but I have learned the best way to silence the inner critic, the best way to confront those limited beliefs, ron Harvey, is to do it anyway. Yes, I have not been able to move past limited beliefs Just sitting here saying I'm not gonna do it. I had to embrace Doing hard things and doing it afraid, and that's how I've continued to crush limited beliefs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it for those you're listening. You're waiting for you to be fully recovered, at your full strength, to have all the answers for everything, to be just perfect. It's not happening not, you're gonna have to step out afraid, step out unsure and know that in that process you get better.
Speaker 2:So that's you know, so you're planning those things and what your ancestors have planted into you. They didn't work for you to get perfect. They planted it and allowed it to grow. So whatever you believe in, and plant it, just planted water, planted water, planted water. Let's speak to the people that are listening. How important has mentorship or role models or people in your corner been to you and your success?
Speaker 3:Oh, extremely important, you know. Going back to what I said, you know If you're doing anything significant and it doesn't require other people, it's not that significant. Mentorship has been Very important to me. I think about people like Angela, carr Patterson and Dr K and Ron Harvey. You know, I look at the folks in my life who are cheering me on, who challenge some of those limited beliefs, who Encourage me to dream and think bigger and show up bigger and brighter. Mentorship shrinks your time. Yes, let me say that again yeah.
Speaker 3:Mentor shrinks your time. You're trying to Google stuff.
Speaker 2:Because that is a mastermind by itself. What do you mean by mentorship? Shrinks your time.
Speaker 3:What would take you five years to figure out the right conversation? Ready for this and asking the right question will shrink five years into an hour and Then you go and do it. Awesome, important part.
Speaker 2:Let me talk about that I don't learn the extra right question because people Struggle. I mean, you think about all of us. What do I learn, nice, after right questions? I didn't learn it till later in life. So, if you're listening, the question changes the future, not the statement. Let's be real clear. Yes, question changes the future Because it's curiosity. What if the iPhone could do this? What if technology could do this? What if chat GPT? Someone asked that question and now we have it. So it's the question that changes the future, not the statement.
Speaker 3:How do I get good?
Speaker 2:at the question.
Speaker 3:Listen. You said so many things there. Okay, so let me make this statement, and then I'm gonna go to something you said, and you said one of my favorite words. One of my favorite words, so number one when we are given the gift of a mentor and they give us direction and wisdom, it is your responsibility to honor them enough to go do what they said. Yes, go do what they said, because it's in the action of doing that more things are revealed. And so you talked about how do we ask the right questions. It's something I learned as a journalist and it's something I tell every new Journalist who steps foot in a newsroom that I'm a part of.
Speaker 3:Remain curious. Yes, we have lost. I don't know what happened. We started adulting out here and we started paying bills and we started being really smart and really, we have missed the beauty of curiosity. Yes, why is that? Is there a better way? What do you think about this? The art of being curious, not nosy, of being curious. When you remain curious, you'll ask good questions. When I think about my journalism career and I think about the journalist that I loved working with and loved seeing their stories, yes, it was always the journalists who were curious. Yes, that's where you get the depth of things.
Speaker 2:So leaders, if you're listening, remain curious. And it's amazing, rochelle, when you talk about what did we lose that? Because kids, as much as they may aggravate you, as much as they may just drive you insane when they ask, they get in the car, in that backseat and they're coming out. They have so much that they want to unload and parents sometimes not right now. Well, why this and why that you like stop asking? Why never put them in a position to stop asking questions Correct? And often we will talk that because even when I was growing up, you know my parents limit how many times and when they got fed up with questions and we had a large family. So you think of 12 kids asking questions and they're asking 12,000 of that's a whole lot of questions for your parents.
Speaker 3:That is 12 kids got. Bless your family.
Speaker 2:Oh, remain curious. Ask the question because it changes the future. So, rochelle, when you think about when you are, the challenges you've had, how do you help women overcome this gap where women are still not seen in the workforce? Matter of fact, there's still 85 cents to every dollar that a man makes, a woman makes 85 cent.
Speaker 2:You know the life of her career, rochelle. That's over $400,000 and lost wages Wow, how do you help us have this conversation that we stop putting us in a position where a woman makes 85 cents, I'll make a dollar, and I may not even be better qualified in her.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm. I think it's really going back to my DNA, and my makeup is teaching women how to be economic engines and how to drive their own economy. There's something really special about being an entrepreneur and I think about when I left the confines of the TV newsroom and Started being able to create my own economics, and now we have two team members that's amazing to me and we're hiring other women, not just here in the US but globally, to work in this mission of you deserve to be seen, heard and paid, and so that's a way in which we can start to turn the tide of this. But also being with people like you, ron Harvey, and being on, you know, interviews like this and being a part of the work you know we've done, work together in the sense of having allies and not making men not a part of this conversation, but bringing them a part of this conversation and bringing them on and challenging them.
Speaker 3:There have been times where I have seen both on the ministry side is this side, the life side, where I've had the challenge people who are putting together events and said Can you not find a woman who can speak about this Right, or the men that are in our life when you are in circles, when you are in rooms Looking for ways to elevate women hey, I know a really great woman You've done this for me several times Ron Harvey who can emcee this event or who can speak on this platform. Those kinds of things help us to turn the tide on this by doing those actions.
Speaker 2:Yes, and she's absolutely right, rochelle is man. I like to say I say girls are women. Don't get offended when I use it, but Rochelle is my girl. If I want to reach out to someone and I want to say Rochelle is, are you available, can you do this? And I've referred people to her because she shows up consistently. So I will tell every leader you must be good if you want to be referred you have to be good if you want to be referred.
Speaker 2:Otherwise people will say your name in the room. They may say, yeah, I know them, and they may not refer you. So I'm going to tell you it's so important that you're good so good that people say your name in rooms that your feet have not landed.
Speaker 3:That's right. I'm grateful that you say my name.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I say the rooms at her feet and the goal is to make sure that her feet make it into that room. So, roshia, how do you help leaders that the people that they thought were their biggest supporters become their naysayers? How do you help us mentally get past that? Because that can be hurtful, that can be frustrating, that can set you back, and naysayers happen to everybody, right. How do you help us get past the naysayers? And when they're close to you, they become the naysayers? How do you help us get past that?
Speaker 3:Because there's people right now that are stuck. I've dealt with a couple of naysayers.
Speaker 3:I think about yeah, I think about when I left television news or when I actually started using live streaming to build a brand, a digital brand. And a lot of my colleagues were this is dumb, roshia, this is a fad. Can you imagine? This is a fad, kind of like the internet. It was a fad. I was just convinced by my vision and I think how we navigate the naysayers is you have to be more convinced of your vision than they are. Yes, because, remember, the vision was given to you, it wasn't given to them, or else they would be doing it. So I was so convinced about this vision, I was so convinced that rain was coming, I just kept building this arc. I was so convinced of it.
Speaker 3:And so you have to be more convinced. And sometimes what I've learned, Ron, and what we talk to our clients about, is about these naysayser. Especially when they're adjacent to you, close to you, whether it's a family, your best friend, those folks are well-meaning. I mean when I was leaving my good TV job.
Speaker 2:They cared about you, they loved you. We're probably concerned.
Speaker 3:You're going to do what on the internet? What are we doing on the internet and why are you leaving the TV station? Did they fire you Rashawn? To tell us the truth? No, I'm leaving on my own accord. Those people mean the best for you, right? But we have to be convinced by our vision and we have to understand that when we are getting what I like to call visibility friction, right.
Speaker 1:That pushback that friction.
Speaker 3:And friction happens several ways, ron Harvey. You can have visibility friction, where you are starting to come into your own and you're being introduced to a you you never experienced before oh wait a minute, what is happening? Friction. The other friction is the outside influences and what you're receiving from people who are just like I don't get this. This is weird. Why are you doing that? And some of the friction is this, ron Number one, you're taking away the excuse that it can't be done because they told themselves it can't be done and now you're showing them that it is possible to. That friction also produces this jealousy, sometimes this envy of you're doing something that I desire to do. Yes, and the other friction of that is when it comes to relationship, is you've changed and I'm not used to this new you and that's uncomfortable. But that doesn't mean you let go of the vision. You stick with it and you stick in it because ultimately the friction that can feel like a bunch of rubbing together like Velcro after a while it doesn't feel so tough.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yes, yes. And as you were talking, rochelle, what came to mind? And I'm watching your hand moving and I thought she's a storyteller, she's always full of energy. I know y'all are leaning like don't end this yet, but it reminds me of an aircraft. An airplane never gets in the air If it doesn't go against the wind. It doesn't. It never elevates, it goes down the runway and. But if it never goes against the wind, it never elevates. You're going to have to go against something. If you're going to go higher, you're going to have to go against the wind and there's going to be turbulence doesn't mean you're about to crash. It just means you got to change lower your level or raise your level. The airplane is flying all day with turbulence doesn't mean it's going to crash. And sometimes we feel turbulence and we abandon, we jump. So I got to tell you, like when I'm listening to what you're saying is, how do you stay the course when there's turbulence?
Speaker 3:How do I stay the course when there's turbulence?
Speaker 2:Because it does happen for all of us and for everyone that's listening to us. Sometimes we make it really really easy. Sometimes you'll see us and say, man, you're overnight success. And I tell people that's absolutely true about 10 years of overnight. I love that it is true, I did a whole bunch of nights, but so you saw it in the daytime and I probably was working at night to get it done. How do you remain calm? How do you stay the course doing turbulence?
Speaker 3:Because I'm just convinced that this turbulence won't last, and I'm also convinced I've learned this. I wasn't always like this, but I've learned this that Challenges are not what's happening to me, it's what's happening for me. So what may be a failure really is an opportunity to learn. What was a failure was an opportunity to say okay, we tried, that it didn't work, so let's tweak it a little bit. What can look like turbulence and rockiness Actually can work for my good and my benefit. So I've actually learned how to embrace Challenges like a champion.
Speaker 2:Wow, she embraces it. It's an opportunity. Yes, it's an opportunity. The other side force. Rochelle, you're running your business, you're doing multiple things. How do you help entrepreneurs or women, because sometimes women get caught up at home and then in this lifestyle Of the kids and the dinner and the food and all these other things, for whatever reason, we think they're the only ones that can do it. I don't believe in work, work like balance. I believe in harmony. How do you manage being the person that you're supposed to be to your children and to your husband, but also living through your career in your dream? How do you do that effectively? And don't lose either, because I don't want you to burn bridges. People listen. Don't burn a bridge that you got across.
Speaker 3:Correct. I learned very early on to have buy-in and and leaders. You all know what I'm talking about buy-in. So when I think about those early years on Harvey of doing live video, when my kids were very young and they had the opportunity to walk in on my camera shot and all of these things, I've made a bargain with my son because at the time my son was much younger he's 13 as of this podcast interview but, oh my gosh, he would always make a noise. He's a boy, right? Well.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to do these videos and so one day I told him I said do you like Chuck E cheese? This one Chuck E cheese was the thing right? And he says I do. I said, okay, here's the deal Mommy does these videos so I can take you to Chuck E cheese. Because back then, ron, my goal for this company was very limited. It was like I want to be able to take my kids on a vacation, I want to be able to contribute to my household, those kinds of things. We've since expanded that vision, but it was just I want to be able to take him to Chuck E cheese and my husband. I have to foot the bill. And he said, okay, I get it. I was like so if you're quiet, you know, give reward. I gave him buy-in. Well, long behold. One day he looked at me. He said mommy, are you not doing a video today? And I said, no, I don't think I'm gonna do one today. He said so there's no Chuck E cheese. I said you know what? You're right, son, let me get up and let me go to work now. This kid, when I say I'm doing a video, he's now 13. He's puts on the lights for me, he sets up my thing. He's now. He edits videos in our company. All of those things, right. And so buy-in.
Speaker 3:I've learned very early on to include my family and what I am doing. Include them in, you know, packing the swag bags. Include my daughter in. This is what I'm gonna wear on stage. What do you think about this? Bring them to see what I'm doing. And here's a pro tip. I'm gonna do this quick tip for everyone. Yes, a friend of mine, denise mock, taught me this and Ron Harvey, I think you'll love this.
Speaker 3:One of the things I've started doing over the couple of years now, for several years now, is I went to Hobby Lobby and bought one of these big hat boxes.
Speaker 3:Right for the guys, you can just get a regular box. So I got this really cute hat box and every Thank-you card, every Invitation, every speaker badge, every program with my name on it. Because my name is their name, because we have the same last name, I put it in that box. Here's why, at the end of my life, when I have gone home to be with the Lord, I want them to be able to open that box and tangibly see the impact that their mother made, tangibly experience the result of their buy-in, the result of them sharing me with other people, the result of me getting on planes, the result of them Constantly saying yes to me writing a book and what that means constantly saying yes. So I think my biggest thing is have buy-in for my family, for my friends who are part of my tight knit circle. They have buy-in to what I am doing and that continues to propel me.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I love it buy-in. She took a distraction and turned it to an advantage. Yeah, and I'll tell you. It's so important. Those are going to show up.
Speaker 2:And how do you have a different perspective? Versus, get irritated about it and show appreciation for you. Be amazed. People want to help. You just got to help find a space for them to help you. So leave as if you're listening to this. Be down to earth. Always tell people, at the end of the day, it's not about us At the end of the day, who you're inviting in, who you're intentionally creating space for them to be smart. Where are we doing that on a consistent basis on our team? I tell people I hire you because I want you to make me better. I Know you wanted a paycheck, but I'm hiring you because I want you to make me better in any way that you see you can make me better. Please share that with me. I invite that. I welcome that. I want to hear that I don't bring them on for me to tell them what to do. I bring them on to make me better.
Speaker 3:You're a great leader, ron Harvey.
Speaker 2:So Russia? We've had a phenomenal time. We've unpacked a lot for people. What would you leave people with that are listening if there's one or two or three lists, whatever, that list is one of the things that you would want for people that are listening and watching and enjoying this podcast. What would you leave with them?
Speaker 3:every time I'm on a stage or every time I have an interview like this, that your silence is not golden. You no longer have the right to remain silent. My friend, your visibility is power. Your expertise, your authority, your thought leadership deserves to be seen, heard and paid. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:The last question for you Leadership. The level of trust and leadership is at an all-time low. How do we begin to turn that curve? Because there's a real issue for people trusting their leaders in all sectors of society, whether it's churches, whether it's communities, whether it's schools, whether it's families, whether it's boys and girls, or whether it's on boards. There's a low level of trust across our entire society. How do we help get our arms wrapped around this and begin to pivot this back?
Speaker 3:As leaders, I think we need to embrace authenticity, transparency and vulnerability. Yes, I think for too long we have been like the Wizard of Oz, the voice hiding behind a curtain, and we have not been authentic, transparent or vulnerable with the people that we are leading. We have created this fall facade that we don't deal with challenges, we don't experience failure, we don't question our own vision sometimes right. We've created this facade and this whole thing and we're not understanding that the people who serve alongside us, who are championing with us this cause, this vision, they want to see your authenticity, your transparency and your vulnerability.
Speaker 2:Yes, leaders, let people see who you are. Let them know who you are, I know. When I came up, I was taught don't let them see you sweat, don't let them know too much about you. Those days are over. Command and control days are over. People are not living that life anymore. People will walk away from a job without a job. I was taught don't leave a job until you got a job. That's not what you're dealing with. It is so different for us and we're going to have to make adjustments if we're going to be effective. So, rochelle, anything out there. Is there a book out there? Is there a website out there? How do we make contact with you? What do you want to share with us? To follow you, to support you and to reach you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we just released our second edition of CEO of a live video.
Speaker 3:I'm so excited for those who can see this CEO of live video, which is discovering the fundamentals of dominating on live video through the eyes of a producer. People have called this a manual. They've called it the Bible of doing live stream. If you know that you want to show up on video to be seen, heard and paid, this is the book that tells you everything to how to push that go live button, to how to build a digital brand and presence and how to show up doing the things that we talked about much in this interview. It's available right now on Amazon and any major book retailer. Ceo of live video.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. Is there a website or a best way to reach you? If someone wants to bring you on a podcast? Someone wants to bring you in for speaking, and I'm asking everyone to listen to this, bring her in. She's phenomenal. I use her. If she's available, I use Rochelle, and so how do people reach you if they want to use your services?
Speaker 3:Sure, so the best way to contact me is through my website, the Rochelle live, which is T H E R O S H O L I V E dot com.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, and you know she's good at it. So if you're watching what she's doing, she's not pretending or faking this. This is what she does. Every single time I meet her, she's good at the moment herself. He's always smiling, she's always full of energy. This is who she is. So if you think she's doing it, it's her natural skill set. She's naturally who she is. So thank you. So, rochelle, phenomenal session. Love that you unpack so much, with people dropped all kind of nuggets. And for those of you who listen, you know why I was so excited to see her. Come on, I mean, she's in the community of friend. I can't get her and her husband to go bowling with us anymore. You know they didn't pull it out of the bowling thing. They we took the bowling once and they stopped going bowling with the Harveys.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because the Harveys didn't tell us that they were part of a bowling league. It was a total setup. Sir Feel lied to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we had a good time. They did show up like wait a minute, y'all got shoes and bowling bags, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like regular bowling thing. Wait a minute, you're a part of a league. Never mind, we've already lost before we started.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. So the power of relationship, the power of being authentic, the power of supporting someone else. Sometimes, leaders, you need to show up for someone else and support them and be their cheerleader, and there's nothing in there for you but to show up, be supportive of other people, and I'll do that for Oshawa and she's done it for me. For those that are listening, thank y'all for joining us. Again, this is Ron Harvey, with global core strategies and consulting with unpacked on Harvey. Easy to find us. We're on LinkedIn, which is our primary source for professional stuff. We do use Facebook, but if you ever want to follow us, just look up global core strategies and consulting. You'll find us. I'm very excited about the work we do. We'd love to have you as a guest or love to do business with you or be a partner with you to support your organization and your leaders. Again, thank you for joining unpacked with Ron Harvey and my guest, rochelle. You guys have a wonderful day and hopefully we'll see you again on another recording.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
